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| Running the van on cooking oil; Possible?? | |
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| craigory | Jun 2 2012, 22:32 Post #1 |
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Price of fuel and the terra rate of the euro, earing in ROI and living in NI has got me thinking on the cooking oil idea.. anyone here done it? is it as simple as 20% diesel and 80% oil?? pros/cons lads? |
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| john mckenna | Jun 2 2012, 23:10 Post #2 |
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Hello Craigory,a cheaper option is kerosene with a small amount of engine oil to lube the pistons.What the ratio of oil to kero is i don't know.It works fine in small engined cars, vans,and pick-ups.U're bound to get info online.Personally i'd stay with the derv! The high life span of the engine is what we all want at the end of the day! |
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| craigory | Jun 3 2012, 00:40 Post #3 |
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1/4 my wages a week on juice is a balls.. its legal to run on oil, depending on mileage? Must do some interwebbing.... |
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| B2AUDI80 | Jun 3 2012, 21:11 Post #4 |
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http://dieselveg.com/ theres a good few running on it now its seems i was thinking on getting an 80 tdi to try it out on myself |
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| craigory | Jun 3 2012, 21:27 Post #5 |
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apparently not a good idea on a common rail diesel so not gonna try.. maybe a tune up sometime would be a good idea. |
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| Jim | Jun 5 2012, 13:36 Post #6 |
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Mate had a 97 ibiza straight diesel started doing 50 50 mix with diesel, before long was running pure veg oil, never had problem with it! Heard though really not advisable using on newer stuff at all tho |
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| Pugly | Jun 11 2012, 19:33 Post #7 |
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It used to be great, a litre of fresh cooking oil was 19p in Asda. Then 'the man' caught onto it and hiked the price up. Now it costs me 5 times the price to cook my chips and battered cod ![]() Older stuff runs fine on 100% cooking oil in the warm weather. Old Mercs, old VW engines, old Ford Endura DEs and old Pug engines eat it up. Although be wary of the type of pump. A Bosch will swallow it up 10 times better than a Lucas item. Will be a bit harder to start but that's easy to live with when you consider the savings. When I was running my 1.9TD Clio on it (no they never made a 1.9TD Clio, it was a Volvo 440 engine lol), I used to fire in half a gallon of petrol along with the tank of cooking oil. I found it helped with the cold start issue. In winter, you would need to run a 50/50 diesel/cooking oil mixture. Even at that it could be dodgy. Have you ever seen diesel coagulating in sub-zero temperatures? Well just imagine what the cooking oil does. You would almost be better just using pure diesel in the cold weather, again with a splash of petrol in it to help it run free. I wouldn't put near a modern common rail engine at all, you're just asking for bother. Easy enough to flush the fuel system, pump and injectors out with pure diesel and petrol but botheration is the word of the day. When you start running the cooking oil, you will probably find that the fuel filter clogs up within the first couple of weeks. This is due to the oil dissolving all the crap off the inside of your tank and feeding it through the system. Easy fix though. Another thing I'd recommend, if you're running cooking oil, always keep a spare fuel filter in the boot and know how to fit it and bleed the system. Hope this helps. |
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| Pugly | Jun 11 2012, 19:42 Post #8 |
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I know a few boys running on Kero with a splash of engine oil in it to lube the pump. None have had any bother with running issues but the thing you need to watch for is the customs. Kero isn't approved for road use and if you get caught, IIIRC it's a £500 fine plus tax on whatever is in the tank or lose the car. I know a couple of boys who keep the fine money in the glovebox for just such an occassion but for most people, that's a lot of money to have lying dormant just in case. The great thing about veg is that it's 100% legal. Not 100% on this, someone can check but you can use 2,500 litres of veg in your car before it becomes tax declarable. And who's really ever going to know how many litres you really use? |
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| ttopofhill | Jun 22 2012, 10:36 Post #9 |
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ran my 2 lorries on pure vegtable oil no problems sometimes mixed a bit of diesel in in colder weather . |
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| CulmoreDubClub | Jun 22 2012, 21:20 Post #10 |
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Anybody know if a 94 2.4 diesel Transporter (non turbo would run on 50/50 diesel and veg oil successfully ? Sound like it would...? anyone know from experience ? |
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| stewartrea | Jun 23 2012, 00:00 Post #11 |
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soulds like a plan for my 93 transit i would think she could run on veg oil |
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| MikeyNI | Jun 23 2012, 10:11 Post #12 |
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Would say both the transit and the transporter should be ok with veg oil as they are older models and don't have fancy modern pumps and injectors on them. |
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| jcgrant77 | Jun 24 2012, 17:55 Post #13 |
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Sorry for butting in,I used to make my own bio diesel using the cooking oil harvested from a local pizza place as it was free. Pugly is right about it being a 100% legal for road use up to 2500 litres which at a full tank of say 50 litres a week would cover most peoples driving for a year. But as stated how are customs to know. If you are getting it used from a chip shop you have to watch as a lot of places use palm oil which is solid at room temperature and is pretty much useless for a car. If you do get used stuff (which should be ultimately free/ you could charge to take it away) the are a few things to look out for. 1 you should always filter it before you put it into the car (this should be a no brainer ) you can buy filters off flea bay for £20 quid and it can be easily gravity fed. 2 the used oil will contain water, 2 ways round this . get a tractor style filter with a water bowl which can be drained without having to bleed the system. Dry the oil using a heater or even simply putting it in the corner of a warmish garage and blowing a fan onto the top of it. 3 I've left this bit to the last as it's the most disgusting part and used to turn me every time i did it. The used cooking oil will contain other forms of fat (mostly animal fat from the items cooked in it) This stuff is semi solid and it will clog up the fuel lines and eventually the tank - it stinks too. It's relatively easy to deal with though ya just set it in the corner for a couple of weeks to a month and it should settle out . the syphon off the good oil and burn the leftovers. Although it's probably easier buying the oil from the local Tasda if you can get used oil free and have a few free hours a week to spend why not You can buy/ make heat exchangers which work with the cooling system on the car. The oil is feed through a water jacket over the fuel line before the pump which heats it up making it easier to combust and more runny. This should make the pumps life a bit easier. The only down side with this approach is that it won't work until the car is properly warmed up. |
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| Micky ma61 | Jul 19 2012, 10:23 Post #14 |
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Read this last night and got me interested so I took the van and filled 10L of kerosene and 40L of clear diesel and 50mm of miller diesel supplement now just have to record the milage if it lasts that long LOL to se if I get close to the average tankful to se if it will be worth wile as I only saved about £7 compared to a normal tankful it's the first time I ever done this was paranoid the cops would pull in half way through it's in a 2.0hdi new a boy who f****d an engine with kero also No the boy who supplied the kero and he told me that he had got greedy and was doing more kero than diesel |
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| Faker | Jul 20 2012, 10:04 Post #15 |
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About 12/14 years ago I had a 1.9d 309, absolute dog of a thing (7 shades of red and really rotten) but it was my work horse and I really loved the thing. I ran it on 28sec Kero for 2 years, nothing but kero. I bought the cheapest 5l motoroil I could find (usually 15/40 5L costing £4 IIRC) and mixed 500ml with every 20L jerrycan full. Car drove perferctly with no issues and I put 50k on it in those 2 years of ownership. Pug was put off the road due to rot as it had been used to launch boats for quite some time. 200k on it and it still ran perfectly. Ah them were the days!!! |
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| Neutech | Jul 23 2012, 17:28 Post #16 |
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No hassle Ran 2 of them 2.4D on veg oil never more than 50/50 never had issues starting even in cold weather put 80k on them no hassles at all |
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| mattyd | Jul 28 2012, 22:26 Post #17 |
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i used 2 run my polo on kero and engine oil mix but appently theres a yellow dye in kero and if u get dipped u get done just the same as u do on red |
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